Should We Lay Off By Seniority?

by Marian Schembari on December 16, 2009

I had an interesting conversation today with a friend that’s been bugging me ever since. Certain companies are changing their policies by laying off based on seniority. Meaning the newbies are the first to go. Initially, this made a lot of sense to me, but then I had a think. Of course people who have been at a company for years should probably not get the initial boot. However, usually those who are newest are also the youngest. And I hate to reinforce a stereotype but, more often than not, it’s the young people who are most tuned in with social and technological changes.

So if a newspaper or talk show or publishing house decides to get rid of 100 young employees, where does that leave the company? Screwed, that’s where. It’s not just the publishing industry that’s changing. Finance (obviously), education, government, media, whatever… The rate of change means that all these industries are so different from what they were forty years ago. What they were two years ago. So while an employee at Newspaper X may have been there for 30 years and knows the paper like the back of his or her hand, they may not know the best course of action for that paper today.

Don’t get me wrong, I still think laying off by seniority is the smartest course of action. There is absolutely no reason to keep a college grad at a huge corporation over a veteran. However, unless said veteran is making a hell of an effort to keep up with the times rather than sticking to dinosaur ways, well, then seniority doesn’t matter and the industry will go down the tube anyway. And then everyone will be out of a job.

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  • SusieQ

    Thanks for this. I do think though that grads can be doing more good than you let on. Too many old fogies in the newsrooms without enough imagination.

  • SusieQ

    Thanks for this. I do think though that grads can be doing more good than you let on. Too many old fogies in the newsrooms without enough imagination.

  • http://mbreau.wordpress.com/ Melissa Breau

    I’m not sure that it’s true that big corporations lay off the youngest personnel. Often, those are the people being paid the least; laying off the senior personnel saves the company the most money. I know that in other industries (especially manufacturing) they normally lay of the person who has been there longest.

    That said, why should they decide who to fire based upon how long that person has been at the company? Wouldn’t it be better to look at what they are contributing? Obviously, it’s harder to teach someone to step into the shoes of an employee who has been with the company for 30 years, but shouldn’t each employee be evaluated individually and the least productive be let go? I hate the idea that anyone would fire based purely upon length of employment.

  • http://mbreau.wordpress.com Melissa Breau

    I’m not sure that it’s true that big corporations lay off the youngest personnel. Often, those are the people being paid the least; laying off the senior personnel saves the company the most money. I know that in other industries (especially manufacturing) they normally lay of the person who has been there longest.

    That said, why should they decide who to fire based upon how long that person has been at the company? Wouldn’t it be better to look at what they are contributing? Obviously, it’s harder to teach someone to step into the shoes of an employee who has been with the company for 30 years, but shouldn’t each employee be evaluated individually and the least productive be let go? I hate the idea that anyone would fire based purely upon length of employment.

  • admin

    Melissa, I totally agree with you. Unfortunately some companies (like the NY Times) are laying off based on seniority. When shit hits the fan however, I really wish everything would be based on performance.

  • admin

    Melissa, I totally agree with you. Unfortunately some companies (like the NY Times) are laying off based on seniority. When shit hits the fan however, I really wish everything would be based on performance.

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  • Granma

    Hey SusieQ, you gonna want to change the rules when you are the “Old Fogy” I really agree with Melissa; who is worth more to the company an veteran or a “newbe”? The veteran may have a higher salary but the “newbe” is costing in salary and training time. Think on it we will all be “old fogies” one day. Performance not age or politics should be the deciding factor.If the vet is doing a good job why take a chance on a “newbe”

  • Granma

    Hey SusieQ, you gonna want to change the rules when you are the “Old Fogy” I really agree with Melissa; who is worth more to the company an veteran or a “newbe”? The veteran may have a higher salary but the “newbe” is costing in salary and training time. Think on it we will all be “old fogies” one day. Performance not age or politics should be the deciding factor.If the vet is doing a good job why take a chance on a “newbe”

  • http://www.morethananarmywife.com/ (army)Wife

    I think the important thing to remember though is if you let go of too many older people, especially those over the age of 40, you’re opening yourself up for a discrimination lawsuit. Okay, so you’ve saved, let’s say, thousands in wages by letting go of the older crowd, but then you may just have opened yourself up to losing millions in a lawsuit. Unfortunately, just letting go of the newbie (and generally younger crowd) is kind of like reverse discrimination, but they aren’t a protected class in the employment law world.

  • http://www.morethananarmywife.com (army)Wife

    I think the important thing to remember though is if you let go of too many older people, especially those over the age of 40, you’re opening yourself up for a discrimination lawsuit. Okay, so you’ve saved, let’s say, thousands in wages by letting go of the older crowd, but then you may just have opened yourself up to losing millions in a lawsuit. Unfortunately, just letting go of the newbie (and generally younger crowd) is kind of like reverse discrimination, but they aren’t a protected class in the employment law world.

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