I still hate internships, but sometimes free is smart

by Marian Schembari on April 6, 2010

Last week I was quoted in TIME Magazine’s article, “Working For Free” by Eve Tahmincioglu and I wanted to share some thoughts on this new intern/free labor drama. Here’s a snippet:

Will labor activists in the U.S. ever get the intern genie back in the bottle? Not if enough people keep volunteering to work for free. Marian Schembari quit her unpaid internship at a Web-based publisher in New York City after three months of living with her parents. The 22-year-old, who graduated from college last year, reached the point where she felt that working 40-hour weeks for no pay was “degrading.” But Schembari, who is now freelancing, still thinks she got something valuable out of the internship. “I was able to write for a website with a decent readership, and I built up my clips,” she says. “My bosses were nice. They just couldn’t afford to pay. But in hindsight, that really shouldn’t be my problem.”

I’m definitely not a fan of the internship, mostly because unless your bosses are superbly awesome and let you do cool things other than getting coffee, internships are essentially assistant positions masquerading as “learning experiences”. The real difference is that assistants get paid.

Along with being quoted in TIME (which was SWEET), I wrote an Internship Series a few months ago about why you shouldn’t take one, why people take them anyway and what you can do instead of taking one. I can reiterate all the reasons why I hate internships, but I want to make an important point and distinction: sometimes, when we’re just starting out , doing work for free helps us get noticed, get that foot in the door and ultimately get more business.

Care for some elaboration? No problem.

Five important reasons you should work for free:

1. Exposure. It’s like building up writing clips. In order to snag that awesome article/story/book/whatever, you

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usually need to already have something published. Which is that lovely Catch-22 of the Freelance Writer. To get those clips, most people start off writing for some ridiculously small amount of money. I don’t agree with this because talent is talent, but I understand that writing a few things for free now can make it easier to write what you want later.

2. Contacts. My dear friend and mentor, Michael Ellsberg, is an author, consultant, business guru and all around nice guy. He contacted me months ago and told me I should forget about getting a “real” job and start working for myself. Michael sends me long emails with 100% fabulous advice, meets with me and spoon feeds me freelance tips and hooks me up with Important People. All out of the goodness of his heart. Or not. You see, Michael knows that I know people that he doesn’t know. Michael knows I’m ridiculously awesome. And because Michael’s smart, he knows that by helping me – for free – he will get an insane return on his investment. Read his most recent blog post here – he talks about building a tribe and articulates it way better than I ever could.

3. Experience. Just starting out? Don’t have referrals or a thick portfolio? Picking a project or two can help build that portfolio (see #1) and give you the experience that will make you feel more comfortable with certain tasks. The learning process is also a great thing to look back on and use later. Half of my blog posts (which can be considered a form of free labor) come from questions people email me or some form of “wisdom” I learn along the way.

4. Making decisions. Working for free can help you decide whether or not a certain career path is right for you. Rather than just taking a job and hoping for the best, a temporarily free project can steer you in the right direction.

5. Spreading the word. “Free” may usually refer to the actual cost of something, but money doesn’t necessarily have to be a factor. In this economy a lot of people are simply unable to pay for services, which is why interns are  exploited now more than ever. But if you “charge” someone by getting them to pass on your name to potential – and paying – clients or simply asking for a glowing recommendation, it might be easier to snag that job since your employer feels they can given something back. Some people – good people – usually hesitate to take someone’s work for nothing. It’s uncomfortable. Take a contest. Say you run a Twitter contest where you have to enter by retweeting something or another. This brings priceless visibility to the company/brand and they’re paying for that visibility (via the giveaway).

NOTE: I don’t think you should do a job for free – meaning, going into an office every day and putting in that amount of time without getting paid is insane (and questionably illegal). But a project here and there, volunteering your time for a person or cause worth that time and helping out someone who may some day return the favor? Totally worth it.

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  • Marian Schembari

    {latest post} I still hate internships, but sometimes free is smart http://bit.ly/asJbSk

  • http://twitter.com/marianschembari/status/11700908624 Marian Schembari

    {latest post} I still hate internships, but sometimes free is smart http://bit.ly/asJbSk #intern

  • http://twitter.com/alexisgrant/status/11703288366 Alexis Grant

    Worth talking about — should you work for free? RT @marianschembari Sometimes free is smart: http://bit.ly/asJbSk #intern

  • http://twitter.com/elizabethscraig/status/11704841671 Elizabeth S Craig

    Sometimes working for free (an internship) is a good idea: http://bit.ly/be5KK2

  • Janeen W

    RT @ElizabethSCraig: Sometimes working for free (an internship) is a good idea: http://bit.ly/be5KK2

  • alexisgrant

    You raise some interesting points here. Working for free IS a great way to get your foot in the door. But it also creates some problems, the least of which is that it gives a serious advantage to the young adults who can AFFORD to work for free (or, in other words, who have parents who can support them).

    This is a problem that goes beyond internships in the writing world. So many people are willing to write for free or almost nothing that it's increasingly difficult for trained journalists to get paid fairly for their work. I feel like I have an ethical obligation to NOT write for unfair wages — though admittedly I still do it rarely when I want to drive traffic to my blog — because essentially I'm making it more difficult for myself in the future to make a living as a freelance journalist. It also waters down the quality of the writing out there because, well, people will less experience are more willing to work for nothing.

    The recession has only complicated this! Thanks for addressing an important issue here.

  • http://marianlibrarian.com Marian Schembari

    Don't get me started on free labor giving people who can afford it the advantage. In a perfect world, everyone would always get paid (fairly) for their work, regardless of the circumstances. So I definitely agree with you 100%. The problem is it's not a perfect world. And in terms of doing freelance work for, well, “free”, you can still be doing paid work at the same time. So unlike internships, where you're usually unable to make any money at all, on a project to project basis you have the flexibility to keep earning a living while continuing to build up a portfolio.

    The ethics are the biggest issue, mostly because it's a personal thing. We do have an obligation to keep the working world fair, but it's like recycling… Every little bit matters, but if everyone's not doing their part it can feel like the little that we do has zero effect on the way of the world :(

    Thank you for your incredibly insightful comment Alexis!

  • http://www.isaokato.com Isao

    Looking at your points makes me feel that internships is valuable with or without money :) Anyhow I absolutely disagree with unpaid internships not because of the amount of money but because of the abusing nature of the employer-worker relationship. The employer is taking advantage of the young worker and both parties know it. How healthy is that?

    I never answered to your questions before so here they go. I am not sure how you will brand yourself but for me, you are the likeable bitch (as long as we are separated by the ocean, maybe) who is also right on so many issues. And how would you help us? By showing who you are and what you have seen as you do now. There are many blogs that deal with our life and career but yours stand out because of the humorous and brutal honesty. That's what we want to acquire so we keep on reading.

  • http://anastasiaashman.wordpress.com/ Thandelike

    Not only have I worked for free (to both worthwhile and poor effect), but I've also employed unpaid interns (to both worthwhile and poor effect).

    I found my literary agent from writing I submitted to a publication for free (it also got me quoted in the New York Times) — something I was inspired to write. Plenty of paid writing work delivered very little in terms of the larger picture, including taking me further away from what I wanted to write.

    However, most of the events that stick in my mind are the opportunities to work for free that I didn't take. In retrospect, they were cost-of-entry moments I didn't recognize and I believe they would have changed not only the years that followed, but my career path entirely.

    What's strange is that it's not easy to know at the time if you're being a pushover or a smart egg.

    Thanks for the topic Marian!

  • http://anastasiaashman.wordpress.com/ Thandelike

    Not only have I worked for free (to both worthwhile and poor effect), but I've also employed unpaid interns (to both worthwhile and poor effect).

    I found my literary agent from writing I submitted to a publication for free (it also got me quoted in the New York Times) — something I was inspired to write. Plenty of paid writing work delivered very little in terms of the larger picture, including taking me further away from what I wanted to write.

    However, most of the events that stick in my mind are the opportunities to work for free that I didn't take. In retrospect, they were cost-of-entry moments I didn't recognize and I believe they would have changed not only the years that followed, but my career path entirely.

    What's strange is that it's not easy to know at the time if you're being a pushover or a smart egg.

    Thanks for the topic Marian!

  • http://marianlibrarian.com Marian Schembari

    Wow, that's SO interesting about finding your agent. Thanks for sharing! I also really like your point about being a pushover vs. smart. I guess hindsight is always 20/20. Hopefully more people will think first before rushing into something that might devalue their work OR writing off something that may help many times over in the future…

  • http://marianlibrarian.com Marian Schembari

    The likeable bitch, huh? LOVE IT. But I think you give me too much credit about being right on “so many issues.” Maybe an issue. Singular. Thought I'm not sure which one yet… ;-)

  • http://twitter.com/glecharles/status/11798178058 Guy L. Gonzalez

    RT @marianschembari: Some interesting conversation going on about working for free over here — http://bit.ly/asJbSk

  • http://twitter.com/chuckwendig/status/11799189616 Chuck Wendig

    RT @glecharles: RT @marianschembari: Some interesting conversation going on about working for free over here — http://bit.ly/asJbSk

  • http://twitter.com/kellyleonard/status/11823443272 Kelly Leonard

    @marianschembari very and some points echoed your post & quote in TIME mag http://bit.ly/9ykzpT

  • http://www.domesticsluttery.com/ Sian

    I apparently like playing devils advocate whenever I come visit your page (am I always this disagreeable?) but I think in some cases, working for free is a good thing. For me, it paved my career. Without the 12 months of blogging, Yahoo! would never have hired me (yep, my first paid job was with Yahoo!). Some of the best pieces of work I've done have been for free.

    And then there's the flip side. I'm running a start up. And it's tough. And we don't always make money. But the girls do it for the love of it and I (hopefully) don't take them for granted. Every bit of profit the site makes is shared between them, and I'd never pay myself a wage without someone else getting their fair share. but it's a gamble. And it's a gamble that I'm so grateful those girls took. Because without them, I wouldn't have a website. It's only expliotation if the person you're working for forgets that.

    Working for free when there's no need pisses me off. If someone is raking it in, but is asking for an 'experienced intern' I get rightly fucked off about it. But I feel hypocritical about it too. There's a fine line, but it's a personal one. One that you have to define yourself.

  • http://marianlibrarian.com Marian Schembari

    First of all Siany, I'd like to think you know me pretty well and people who know me know that I like playing (and people who play) devil's advocate. There's nothing disagreeable about it.

    That aside, this post is intended as an addition to my “I hate working for free” post because you're right. Sometimes working for free is just necessary. I may not like it, it may be a tad exploitative, but it often gets us in the right place career wise — via experience, networking, portfolio, whatever. But I really like what you say about it being a fine line. You have to judge these situations by themselves because it IS a personal decision and unless you think about it carefully you could feel taken advantage of, resentful or – worse – regretful.

  • http://marianlibrarian.com Marian Schembari

    First of all Siany, I'd like to think you know me pretty well and people who know me know that I like playing (and people who play) devil's advocate. There's nothing disagreeable about it.

    That aside, this post is intended as an addition to my “I hate working for free” post because you're right. Sometimes working for free is just necessary. I may not like it, it may be a tad exploitative, but it often gets us in the right place career wise — via experience, networking, portfolio, whatever. But I really like what you say about it being a fine line. You have to judge these situations by themselves because it IS a personal decision and unless you think about it carefully you could feel taken advantage of, resentful or – worse – regretful.

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